Official Answers by Chaosium
This covers Chapter 15, pages 365-79:
Negotiating with Spirits (page 365)
Does that mean they can estimate the POW score of the other entity, but if that other entity has a POW that is 5 points above or below their own, they can only say “it’s way stronger/weaker than me“?
I use feels stronger (above 5pts), feels similar (within +/- 5pts), feels weaker (below 5pts). I avoid way stronger unless I want them to back away.
Spirit Combat (page 366)
Note that it specifically says:
and that this is the only specific instance that Spirit combat is not resolved on Strike Rank 12:
The player rolls the adventurer’s Spirit Combat (with augments, magical bonuses, etc) and checks the result using that score for critical, special, success, fail, miss, fumble using spirit combat results.
When using a sword with True Sword cast on it to attack a spirit that has manifested, does the spirit roll its spirit combat rating as a defense maneuver similar to the dodge mechanic; i.e compare levels of success?
Both roll their spirit combat ability. The usual results apply: critical beats a special beats a success beats a fail. For example if the Humakti criticals and the spirit rolls a success, the Humakti wins.
The results are compared using the Resolving Spirit Combat section:
If the Humakti wins, only the magical part of damage is rolled:
This damage is magic points, and subtracted from the spirits Magic Points, taking into account of any magical defences that subtract from the Magic Point damage.
If the spirit wins, the spirit rolls their Spirit Combat damage and subtracts it from the Humakti’s Magic Points. Likewise taking into account of any magical defences that subtract from the Magic Point damage.
Nothing happens unless the tie is a critical, then both do the same as a Winner above.
If the Humakti wielding the sword has a gift of Humakt to double the damage of the sword that gets through armor, would this blessing double the damage done by the True Sword spell to the spirit?
The Gift is from a god and so is magical. It only doubles the magical damage. So in the above example with a broadsword, roll 1D8+1, subtract any damage reduction the spirit may have then double the magic point damage. So if 5 is rolled, and the spirit has no defences, 5 doubled is 10 so the spirit loses 10 Magic points.
Can the Humakti use the True Sword to parry the spirit’s bite attack special spirit ability? Can it cause damage to the spirit on a successful parry vs. a failed bite attack?
No. This is spirit combat.
You may find this Spirit Combat results table useful:
Spirit Combat Results Table
|Critical||Tie. Both roll Spirit Combat Damage twice, bypasses armor. Corporeal targets physically damaged.||Winner rolls Spirit Combat Damage twice, bypasses armor. Corporeal target physically damaged.||Winner rolls Spirit Combat Damage twice, bypasses armor. Corporeal target physically damaged.||Winner rolls Spirit Combat Damage twice, bypasses armor. Corporeal target physically damaged.||Winner rolls Spirit Combat Damage twice, bypasses armor. Corporeal target physically damaged. Loser rolls on Spirit Combat Fumble table.|
|Special||Winner rolls Spirit Combat Damage twice, bypasses armor. Corporeal target physically damaged.||Tie||Winner doubles Spirit Combat Damage. Corporeal target physically damaged.||Winner doubles Spirit Combat Damage. Corporeal target physically damaged.||Winner doubles Spirit Combat Damage. Corporeal target physically damaged. Loser rolls on Spirit Combat Fumble table.|
|Normal||Winner rolls Spirit Combat Damage twice, bypasses armor. Corporeal target physically damaged.||Winner doubles Spirit Combat Damage. Corporeal target physically damaged.||Tie||Winner rolls Spirit Combat Damage.||Winner rolls Spirit Combat Damage. Loser rolls on Spirit Combat Fumble table.|
|Fail||Winner rolls Spirit Combat Damage twice, bypasses armor. Corporeal target physically damaged.||Winner doubles Spirit Combat Damage. Corporeal target physically damaged.||Winner rolls Spirit Combat Damage.||Tie||Two Losers Fumble rolls on Spirit Combat Fumble table.|
|Fumble||Winner rolls Spirit Combat Damage twice, bypasses armor. Corporeal target physically damaged. Loser rolls on Spirit Combat Fumble table.||Winner doubles Spirit Combat Damage. Corporeal target physically damaged. Loser rolls on Spirit Combat Fumble table.||Winner rolls Spirit Combat Damage. Loser rolls on Spirit Combat Fumble table.||Two Losers Fumble rolls on Spirit Combat Fumble table.||Tie, both roll on Spirit Combat Fumble table.|
Can other adventurers attack with weapons whilst the spirit is engaged in normal spirit combat?
If you mean magic weapons – yes, but the spirit still gets a spirit combat roll (just like parrying).
If you have multiple spirits engaged in spirit combat with the same adventurer, does the adventurer take a -20% penalty to Spirit Combat per subsequent roll in the same round?
Generally speaking, anyone who is not a shaman, and is attacked by more than one spirit is in big trouble anyway. If you want to make it harder for the adventurers, then yes, give them a penalty!
A PC has 80% great axe skill and 75% spirit combat skill. The first two options are obvious. In this scenario, no opponent skills are higher than 100%.
The PC is in melee with a physical enemy, he can attack and parry at 80%.
The PC is in melee with two physical enemies, he can attack and parry one at 80%, he can parry the other at 60%.
The PC is in melee with one physical enemy and one spirit. He chooses to continue to attack and parry the physical enemy. The spirit engages in spirit combat.
Does the PC get to defend with his spirit combat skill?
Firstly the adventurer knows that the spirit is going to attack:
So in the Statement of Intent, the GM has either announced a spirit is manifesting to attack or the GM has announced that previous round and this round spirit combat starts. I will assume it’s the second.
The adventurer is in spirit combat for the whole round, culminating with the exchange on SR12.
This is a problem for your adventurer, he’s already fighting two other physical foes:
He’s in combat with two other combatants so for the first one needs to succeed in a concentration check to even attack and parry. The second one also needs a concentration check, personally I’d make that an INTx2, for the second (unless the first fails). Depending on the the results, he may or may not get to attack and parry the first one, and may or may not get to parry the second one. It’s possible if he succeeds at the second concentration check, but not the first, the parry will be at full value.
Failing the concentration check against either, will mean an unopposed roll against him.
Now the Spirit combat. This is resolved normally as it’s the main aim of the round. No reductions.
Is it reduced by 20% as it is his second defense?
No it’s not a defense (see above).
If so, let’s say the PC rolls well on all three rolls, inflicting some damage on the physical enemy. The PC also rolls a special (07) in Spirit Combat and the spirit only achieves a normal success. Thus the PC wins the Spirit Combat as well. Does he get to inflict his normal spirit combat damage (e.g. d6+1) on the spirit?
Yes, assuming the INT rolls are made. But note:
Or because the PC choose to attack physical, he gets a Spirit Combat skill roll to defend. But if he wins the contest, he does not get to inflict MP damage on the spirit.
No. The adventurer is in spirit combat.
Or because the PC choose to attack physically, he gets no Spirit Combat skill roll. The spirit only needs to roll its Spirit Combat skill, and if it succeeds it destroys some MP.
No, he’s in spirit combat.
I will say this came up in my game. I thought the PC would get to defend with his Spirit Combat skill, just like he could still defend against a spell. The PC did special, the spirit did not even succeed (I think the roll was a 97). And the PC finished off two opponents in the same round, which seemed odd in ‘defense’. Of course, if he was attacked by two wolves, he could potentially defeat them both with parry rolls (special parry vs failed wolf attack, against the head, enough damage to knock them unconscious). So it seems plausible, other than it seems the PC is engaging in both physical combat and spirit combat at the same time.
In this situation, fighting three opponents while engaged in spirit combat is likely to be problematic. Solutions usually involve:
- Disengaging from Melee, Flee:, page 195
- If the character is an assistant shaman or shaman, they may themselves attempt a Spirit Dance roll.
- Cast spirit block (common rune magic) to reduce damage from the spirit combat
- Augment your spirit combat (will last will last whole spirit combat)
- Augment your INT roll (will last will last whole spirit combat)
- Having someone more able in spirit combat cast Distraction on the spirit.
What happens if the character in spirit combat wants to use his weapon against the spirit because his spirit combat skills are terrible? Would he oppose the spirit combat with his appropriate weapon skill?
No, he has run out of Strike ranks this the only specific instance that Spirit combat is not resolved on Strike Rank 12:
it may cause damage as long as the weapon wields magical damage:
What about spirit combat and physical attack at the same time? I see several spirits in The Smoking Ruin have a physical attack also. Does this mean they engage in both each round freely?
It’s resolved using spirit combat as it’s a semi-material spirit weapon. That is the spirit’s spirit combat attack. They do not have a second attack unless listed under their spirit abilities.
With Spirit Dart (missile) or Spirit Weapon (melee), if the weapon has a Strike Rank, use that, otherwise use SR12 as usual:
For MGF on a spirit combat fumble, a GM could decide to change an outcome to:
Weapon used in attack dropped (takes 1D3 rounds to recover), leaving the attacker to use a normal SR12 attack and normal spirit combat damage.
Finally spirits that can manifest a physical form (solid form, RQB page 167), use their physical attack if manifest or spirit attack if not, not both.
If they use these physical spirit attacks, they are then counted on as if engaged in spirit combat, I must assume from your answer.
Yes, the weapon is semi-material.
A possible spirit physical attack. But it also says it has the Elemental form power. What would it mean if it uses it? Or is it more there to signify a flaming nature only? Or does that ability add something in game mechanics?
This one is a bit more complex. It’s a discorporate spirit using spirit combat for everything until the GM decides it switches to its Elemental Form. Then it’s embodied (medium size) and switches to normal melee, and can use an engulfing fire elemental attack or its weapon. As an elemental, it has no DEX and so any engulfing attack happens on SR12. 13 hours ago, Runeblade said:
And if it casts Fireblade the 3D6 attack is assumed purely physical in accordance to the spell.
Yes and physical armour would help.
As with all encounters, alway look over the creature and get a feel for its melee tactics (if needed). Here, its main tactic would appear to be stay as a spirit and cast Fireblade on its weapon.
Combatants (page 366)
Alice is in a spirit combat with Spit the spirit, a pretty nasty spirit who has lots of magic points.
Luckily, her friends Bob, Charlie, and Dave are around. Bob knows the Disruption spell, Charlie has True Sword on their broadsword, and Dave has a bow and a bunch of enchanted iron arrows in his quiver.
Now, can Bob cast Disruption on Spit the spirit while the said spirit is in spirit combat with Alice?
If the GM has said that Bob can see the spirit, and Bob has declared his action in Statement of Intent.
What effect would a successful casting of Disruption have against Spit?
If successful, the spirit loses 1D3 magic points.
Can Spit the spirit retaliate in any way against Bob while engaged in spirit combat with Alice?
Unless the spirit has an ability to use two attacks, and one is ranged, no.
Is there any chance that the Bob’s spell would instead hit Alice?
No, there are no hit other options on the Spirit Combat Fumble table (page 370) Attacking a spirit with a spell is spirit combat. If Bob’s disruption casting Fumbles, he uses the spirit combat fumble table.
Can Charlie strike Spit the spirit (that is in spirit combat with Alice) with the True Sworded broadsword?
If the GM has said that Charlie can see the spirit, and Charlie has declared his action in Statement of Intent.
If they can, what effect would a successful hit have against Spit the spirit, and how would Charlie’s attack be resolved?
Resolved using standard spirit combat actions. Charlie may loose.
Can Spit the spirit retaliate against Charlie in any way while in spirit combat with Alice?
Unless the spirit has an ability to use two attacks, no. The spirit uses its spirit combat against the weapon attack, but cannot initiate a separate attack otherwise.
Is there a chance that Charlie’s sword would instead hit Alice?
No, there are no hit other options on the Spirit Combat Fumble table (page 370) Attacking a spirit with a weapon is spirit combat. If Charlie’s weapon attack Fumbles, he uses the spirit combat fumble table.
Finally, can Dave shoot an arrow at Spit the spirit while it’s engaged in spirit combat with Alice?
What effects would a successful hit have against Spit the spirit, and how would Dave’s attack be resolved?
Could Dave miss Spit and instead hit poor Alice?
Can Spit retaliate against Dave while engaged in spirit combat with Alice?
Same answers as above.
Shouldn’t fighting a dozen spirits be harder than fighting one?
Not if your occupation is shaman. However the more spirits, greater the chance that one will attack will get through. If you want to make it harder for a shaman, mob them.
A shaman character in my campaign has just fought three Disease Spirits at once. None of them had any chance of getting through his defences without critical hits. This seems wrong.
Shaman are the spirit specialists of Glorantha. Consider having the disease spirit disengage and go for a softer target…
Spirit Combat Skill (page 366)
Resolving Spirit Combat (page 368)
Does this mean in a case of a tie (same quality of result) both parties do spirit combat damage to one another only on a critical, or in all cases of a tie?
On a critical. That’s the order of the instructions.
Can spirit in a spirit combat cast more than one spirit magic spell per round?
Yes, just follow the standard rules. For obvious reasons, spirits are unlikely to cast much offensive magic in spirit combat.
Likewise, if you choose the spirit magic power when creating a spirit. that should be detailed in advance if you want to avoid ambiguity. If you want a spirit that fires a Disruption every SR, then note it in the description.
Spirit Combat Damage (page 368)
Hit Point Damage (page 368)
Reaching Zero Magic Points
Attacking with Weapons and Spells (page 369)
Temporary damage boosts from Rune spells do harm spirits
Temporary damage from spirit magic does not harm most spirits.
What about temporary damage boosts from sorcery spells. Do they harm spirits or not?
There seems to be the emphasis that corporeal beings can harm spirits with spells such as disrupt.
Can discorporate shamans harm spirits with disrupt or is that possible only because the spirit attacking corporeal beings has manifested on the mundane plane?
The latter. (Though this might be revised at some point)
In the RQG rulebook, it seems that all enchanted weapons can damage spirits – has this been changed?
This is still in the Core Rules.
This is enough to make enchanted bronze practicable (if unoptimized).
No one has the enchantment:
Except maybe the dwarfs and sorcerers.
Does Bronze not count as a Rune Metal for this purpose?
Yes if enchanted. Note that it’s referring to Rune metals in the Enchanted weapons metals sentence, I’m assuming you are not just reading this as enchanted iron or plain Rune metals. Note that page 369 specifically states that unenchanted Rune metal weapons don’t damage spirits.
Also, can you damage spirits with weapons that have other enchantments but not enchanted rune metal?
Yes, as long as the enchantment provides magic damage or is a specifically enchanted item against spirits.
Eg, of the items mentioned under Other Enchantments in the Core Rules, only these can damage spirits:
- A Sword of Sharpness would do 1 magic point damage when striking a spirit (Plunder Classic page 55)
- Aluminum Tridents of Wachaza (Plunder Classic page 28) are effectively enchanted aluminium and up to 4 extra D4s of damage/POW, so could potentially give a Wachaza War Master an enchanted trident of up to 2D3+4D4 magic point damage (no damage bonus) against spirits (costs 2-5 POW).
Other items that would damage spirits in Plunder Classic include:
- Aldrami Arrows, there is likely a rare version of that will hit spirits (normal damage) page 27
- The invisible Sword (normal damage) page 39
- Scarlet scimitars (enchanted rune metal, so normal damage) page 44
- Ora’s Hammer (enchanted rune metal, so normal damage) page 47
Possession (page 370)
Can Spirit Binding be cast on a spirit possessing a person?
No. It specifically say in the possession section that if you do budge the spirit:
Could a spirit actively engage in spirit combat with another once they have possessed a person?
No. Once an appropriate spirit has possessed a person it becomes corporate – it has a body.
In what ways can a person possessed by a spirit get rid of it (with the help of others)?
Only others can rid someone of possession:
Could the possession, in some cases, be seen as permanent – the spirit walks away with the body?
Depending on the type of possession, Yes.
See dominant & covert possession on page 371 & 371 and the Bestiary.
Would a person possessed by a spirit immediately return to be the conscious master of a body once the possessing spirit has been rid of?
Yes, plus appropriate MGF roleplaying.
Can a spirit possessing a person use their Rune and Spirit magic?
No, replace the INT and POW.
and all their abilities/skills?
Would it be assumed to add, or replace with their own, skills or magic? Or would this vary? I could see there could be a bit of YGMV or GM’s choice here depending on what story is nice, but I’d be interested in the general take in this from a rules perspective.
Go for MGF as always.
The Spirit World
Describing the Spirit World (page 371)
What items can you bring with you on a Spirit Travel? None? Magical only? Nothing, but you can find stuff there?
In the rulebook, at least (some) clothing and a mask seem to be along for the travel, although I suppose that could be purely cosmetic.
Do you bring the actual items, or spirit copies of them?
Everything has a spirit, so when you discorporate, everything you carry appears as its spirit form (this needn’t look the same). Those items unless specially prepared are unlikely to function as they did in the Middle World. Generally speaking, magic items and enchanted metals, function as expected. Weapons are already covered in the spirit magic section. If you want armour – Spirit Armor Enchantment.
Regions of the Spirit World (page 374)
Regions of the Spirit World (page 374)
Spirit Vortices (page 374)
Runes and the Spirit World (page 374)
Spirit Cults (page 377)
Establishing a Spirit Shrine (page 378)
Weekly Worship and Rune Points
Do the weekly worship ceremonies required for spirit cults allow initiates to regenerate Rune points?
Keep it seasonal as usual cults. Spirit cults are not powerful enough to support weekly renewal.
The shaman will choose an appropriate seasonal and high holy day after asking the spirit. If the spirit has a larger cult, use those, eg Oakfed‘s seasonal holy day is ever Fireday of Disorder Week. His High Holy Day is in Fire Season. If not, look at the calendar and choose something appropriate, eg, for Thunder Bird, it would be appropriate to use Orlanth’s seasonal and high holy day.
Negotiating with the Spirit
Why the shaman is at risk of possession at all here?
If the spirit decides to turn the tables and attack rather than negotiate.
and why if that’s the case it’s just for “humanoid and Chaotic spirits”.
You can usually only possess a being with the same form as you (see possession page 360).
Sample Spirit Cults (page 378)
Black Fang Brotherhood (page 378)
What happens if the candidate fails to convince the spirit, but defeats it in spirit combat? It doesn’t seem to say. Presumably they have proven themselves worthy after all?
Yes. Although the original roll may be augmented, ritual practices used or roll-played.
Special Cult Rune Magic
Oakfed (page 379)
Special Cult Rune Magic
How is this intended to work?
See Congregation (page 378) and Replenishing Rune Points (page 315)
During the weekly spirit cult worship (Worship roll & sacrifice 1 magic point), if an adventurer succeeds with a special success in their worship roll and wishes to sacrifice for a special Rune magic, Cremate Dead is available in addition to Summon and Dismiss Fire Elemental (any size), and Create Wildfire.
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- CHA4028 RuneQuest: Roleplaying in Glorantha – Chapter 07 Combat Q&A pages 191-206
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- CHA4028 RuneQuest: Roleplaying in Glorantha – Chapter 08 Runes Q&A
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- CHA4028 RuneQuest: Roleplaying in Glorantha – Chapter 16 Sorcery Q&A
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- CHA4028 RuneQuest: Roleplaying in Glorantha – Chapter 17 Equipment & Wealth Q&A
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