2021-02 RuneQuest on Facebook February Highlights

Jeff Richard is one of the regular posters in the RuneQuest Facebook Group. here’s some of his recent RuneQuest posts, only Jeff’s replies are included where relevant. Facebook membership is required to access the originals.

As an aside, I often post notes or things that I am working on that I think people will find interesting or useful. But I am posting this material without edits or revisions – they are all notes or works in progress. If people really expect me to edit or revise such ephemera before I post it, I am probably not going to post such things.

Jeff Richard, 2021

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While running today, I flirted with the idea of running a short campaign set in the 1650s. The Hero Wars have now been raging for decades, and the world has been transformed. The characters have seen kingdoms and empires rise and fall, stars fall from the sky, and the armies of darkness now march in day. A chaotic thing squats upon the Imperial Throne, and the Battle of Gods and Men harkens near. The game would be as much flashbacks to a brighter time as it would be about confronting the inevitable End Time.

I had the idea that by now all the characters have lost their identity and part of the game would be about discovering who they “were”.

“See that man there, digging in the mud, naked but for his loincloth? He was once Ulifas of Seshnela, king of the world. And that woman there, feasting on the dead sakkar? She was once Samastina of Nochet, Queen of Riches. You may take their crowns and thrones of dirt, for what good it will do you.”

I wonder what Melo Yelo is doing in 1650?

See that golden skinned man with the spear? He was once a baboon who shunned his people to become king of an oasis. Now he is cursed to be forever alone.That kind of stuff.

“See that tusked monstrosity, gorging itself on the flesh of the dead on the battlefield? That was once Sir Meriatan, noblest of men.”

I imagine a Virgil figure who narrates this all at the start.

Oh I was just musing about how the Hero Wars would look viewed from its end. Like starting a Pendragon Campaign in the Twilight Period.

The Monomyth is beginning to fill in! As always courtesy of the amazing Agathe Pitié!

Humakt with Heler and a few other Storm Gods! A tiny closeup of part of the piece by the amazing Agathe Pitié.

Some Hero Wars campaign notes:There are roughly 34,000 Orlanth initiates in Sartar (including the Far Place), 5500 Yelmalio initiates, and another 8000 initiates of various war gods (Storm Bull, Humakt, Maran Gor, Babeester Gor, etc.). Let’s remove the Yelmalio cultists and say there is a pool of about 40,000 people who could theoretically be called up for military service by the Prince of Sartar. That’s the whole pool, including the elderly, farmers, herders, you name it, out of a total population of around 180,000 people.At the Battle of Dangerford, there were about 5500 Sartarites present – that’s getting near 15% of the total military pool. And roughly the same fought the following year at the Battle of the Queens. That’s getting us into the sort of mobilisation that Alexander the Great had for the invasion of Persia. And you have to assume that still others are mobilised to serve as city garrisons, other tribal militia, etc. That’s probably the most that could be mobilised for any length of time without harming the kingdom’s economic and agricultural base.Now Argrath brings another pool of 5000 or so Praxians (including 1500 Pol-Joni) sworn personally to him and, as nomads, are always mobilised. With that you can see that he came to the Principality with his own significant power base.

And it is one more good reason why you ought to come to terms with the new Prince. You can join him and plunder foreign lands, or you can oppose him and have Praxian herds graze it what used to be your pastures and fields.

Feeding them is certainly doable – there’s a lot of open grasslands in the Donalf Flats (which is bigger and richer than the Better Place). There’s also a lot in Volsaxiland and Heortland. There’s a lot of activity in 1627-1628 as Argrath tries to consolidate his position as quickly as possible (also early on he reaches out to Nochet, which is likely also a resources thing).

What do you mean “what about Lunar army?” I am afraid I am having trouble understanding the question!

Are you asking me how the Lunar army mobilizes and supports itself? I’m not trying to be dense, but your question is very broad!

Well that number changes a lot year by year! In 1621, the Lunar Heartlands Army had 64,000 soldiers mustered, with another 14,000 mustered for the Provincial Army. 2500 were in Dragon Pass, 2500 were in Prax, and 20,000 were in the Holy Country.In 1625 after the Dragonrise, there is nothing in the Holy Country or Prax, and only about 5,000 in Dragon Pass.

The telesias was a sword dance performed by the Ancient Greeks – imagine this performed in armor and you have a good take on the drogarsi dance of the sartarites.

I’ve been posting a few previews of art for the forthcoming Cults of Glorantha books, but there’s another beautiful book already in art production – the Sartar boxed set. And here’s just a little preview of a piece by the outstanding Ossi Hiekkala.

Our mercenary here has been a bandit/rebel for pretty much her entire life. She might have been young, gorgeous, and wholesome back when she was a young woman who flocked to Starbrow’s Rebellion in 1613, but since then, she has become hard, cynical, and ruthless. She started as a Colymar woman from Apple Lane – Raveena Dronlon’s Daughter of the Varmandi Clan (her father was Dronlan Swordsharp – the Thane of Apple Lane. But she flocked to Starbrow’s banner in 1613, joined a mercenary company and was exiled when the rebellion failed. She fled to Balazar and joined the mercenary company of Pay Surney but was traded by Pay Surney to another Rune Lord for two horses and a broadsword. Raveena eventually returned to Dragon Pass where she became a bandit attacking caravans along Trader’s Valley. In 1622 she was one of those who fought for King Broyan in the Auroch Hills and spent the next three years leading a band of bandits/rebels in South Sartar and Hendrikiland. When Starbrow became Prince, Raveena continued as a bandit.Now it is 1627, and Raveena has accepted the amnesty of the new Prince Argrath, and has entered his service as one of the mercenaries in the Thieves Band. She is in her mid-30s and has seen and experienced a lot – mostly all bad. She’s a senior initiate of the Orlanth Adventurous (Vinga-subcult), but lacks the Honor to become a Wind Lord. She has plenty of spirit magic focii (tattoos, bone jewelry, piercings, etc), and wears a green stone (a spell resisting crystal) around her neck (a gift from a long-gone lover). She’s got a lot of scars, and is even missing an eye. She likes to keep the socket uncovered, as she finds it intimidates plenty of people.And since this is RuneQuest, here are her stats:STR 13 CON 16 SIZ 13 INT 14 POW 17 DEX 14 CHA 14

Why only one greave? Cause she only looted one at the last battle. In this case, it is just that Raveena only looted one greave off the battlefield.

Having pieces like this for RuneQuest is like a dream come true – one of my favorite books on ancient military history as a youth was John Warry’s “Warfare in the Classical World” and Jeff Burn’s artwork in that very much defined the ancient world for me.

Raveena is a mere mortal. A RuneQuest character instead of a cult figure.

There’s a long tradition of tough barefoot soldiers in both Glorantha and the real world. And especially with the Orlanthi, with heroes such as Harmast Barefoot.

Why she haven’t cure her eye with magic? The Healer Temple doesn’t consider it a priority.

I also suspect that Ernaldan healing magics are much easier to access? but that Ernalda priestess has a lot of demand for other spells as well. Rune spells (and Rune points) are not an infinite resource.

Just so folk know what I mean when Agathe Pitié is working on a HUGE depiction of the Monomyth, here is an overview of it:

The Myth continues – the Storm Gods refuse to be put in place and Yelm is struck down by their leader, Orlanth. The Gods War rampages across Glorantha. Again, part of a huge piece by the amazing Agathe Pitié!

For the Thunder Brothers are like the Maruts and accompany Orlanth to war.

THUNDER BROTHERS

The collective offspring of Orlanth are worshiped as the Thunder Brothers (which sometimes include Orlanth’s storm brothers as well). They have immense power and are his aspects, companions, manifestations, and messengers. They are very violent and aggressive, and armed with lightning and thunderbolts, or with terrible swords. They split the clouds so that rain can fall, and are capable of shaking mountains and destroying forests.The Thunder Brothers are usually shown as a collective of storm gods, numbering between three and sixty. They are often led by Vinga. They are the source of Summon Large Air Elemental.

Vinga is an incarnation of Orlanth. That can be described as Orlanth transformed or Orlanth’s daughter. All the same thing.

Will there be a Credo game version for Glorantha debating the nature of Vinga? No. Gloranthans wouldn’t even consider this a matter for debate. Whether an aspect is referred to as the god or as a child or tool of the god is a matter of poetry, not theological doctrine.And that is one of the huge problems I think we moderns have with mythology. We approach it as dogma and doctrine – or even more painful, as some kind of computer code – and forget that it is poetry.

The amazing Agathe Pitié is working on a huge spread of the Monomyth for the Cults Book. I thought you all might like a few sneak peaks of the WIP!Today’s sneak peak is from the time when the Earth Goddesses brought forth life atop the world, and when the Sky Gods were able to keep everything in its place.

So last night I was play testing the new Battle Rules for RQ and Pendragon, and we opened up with the Battle of the Queens. And it was an interesting insight into how little it takes to make a bunch of Lunar magicians really kick ass on the battlefield:

1. Mindblast and Madness are two of the most devastating ranged spells in RQ. As Neil worked out, their effects are not easily dismissed (there are few magical spells that get rid of them, but Dispel or Dismiss Magic does not work). They are relatively low cost (2 Rune Points).

2. The Schools provide Discorporate – that means that the Lunar magicians can have their spirits flit around the battlefield and then launch volleys of Madness and Mindblast. A group of 50 can easily break a regiment of normal soldiers. And funny, that is pretty much exactly how the Minor Class works in WBRM.

3. Red Goddess initiates can really manipulate spirit magic in obnoxious ways, as long as they have magic points to burn. Presumably there is some means of channeling worship magic points into storage, bound spirits, and all the rest of that RQ mechanical jazz.

4. Illumination lets us work with cults that normally couldn’t be done – especially Chaotic cults. Let’s summon Thed (as a spirit cult) and do a mass volley of Fumble spells. Or something else similarly horrible.

Finally, the Red Goddess’ hero quests and followup by Lunar magicians mean the magicians might have a pretty decent “map” of how cults tie into each other. This isn’t the sort of “I know Orlanth’s kryptonite” stuff that folk on forums seem fascinated by, but far more practical stuff, like knowing that there is a deep association between Anilla and Mastakos. Not only does that get you Teleportation, but it could potentially get you driving Orlanth’s chariot!

What made me very happy about this is how nicely it dovetails with WBRM.

Madness and Mindblast are BRUTAL spells!

Happy Valentine’s Day from the Goddess of Love!

as an aside here is my stick figure of Ernalda.

 Harmony rune – I imagine it as her pleated skirt!

So Sartar has a population density of about 10 people per square km, and Lunar Tarsh about 18 people per square km. Esrolia is WAY more densely settled. North Esrolia has only about 3000 km2 (or less than half the area of Sartar), but has 500,000 people. That’s 166 people per square km. If we remove Nochet from the mix, it is still about 130 people per square km.That’s Nile Valley density. That’s the Low Countries in the Renaissance.

So everywhere you go in North Esrolia, there will be settlement and intensive agriculture. There’s no “wild land”.

Heortland, in contrast is about 38 people per km2, which gets us in the vicinity of Roman Italy. It is much more settled than Sartar, but far less than Esrolia.

So it means that Heortland under Belintar has become a settled land, with lots of village, but spaced a little further apart than Esrolia, and more on the population scale of the Sartarite clans (around 1300 on average). But most of the plateau is now agricultural land.

So in Heortland, there’s been quite a lot of deforestation on the Heortland Plateau. Since the Dragonkill War, the population of Heortland has probably more than doubled since its Second Age height.

So as we are looking at population numbers and area, it is worth looking at some of the cities:

  • Boldhome: 350 hectares. Population 11,000
  • Other Sartarite cities: 25 to 50 hectares.
  • Population: 1200 (Alone) to 4000 (Alda-Chur).
  • Furthest: 130 hectares. Population 20,000.
  • Nochet: 600 hectares. Population: 100,000+
  • Old Pavis: 1905 hectares(!). Population unknown.

So comparing sizes, Boldhome is a MUCH bigger city in area than Furthest. The Main City plus the West, East, and Top Pockets occupy about 100 hectares. But the whole valley is probably closer to about 350+ hectares.

As an interesting point in comparison, here’s the size of several ancient world cities:

  • Alexandria: 236 hectares (not including palace or Pharos)
  • Antioch: 375 hectares
  • Athens: 120 hectares
  • Autun: 200 hectares
  • Babylon: 500 hectares
  • Jeusalem: 110 hectares (including the Temple and Herod’s Palace)
  • Londinium:135 hectares
  • Miletus: 100 hectares
  • Ninevah: 720 hectares
  • Palmyra: 130 hectares
  • Pompeii: 65 hectares
  • Rhodes: 388 hectares
  • Rome: 360 hectares (within the Servian Wall).

Of Boldhome the valley is about 350 hectares. Much of that is grassland or pasture. Think an Alpine valley like the Lauterbrunnental.

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Boldhome has walls just at the mouth of the valley. he mountains ARE the walls of Boldhome.

How much of Boldhome’s area is actually livable, as opposed to cliff or hillside? About 350 hectares of valley bottom.About 350 hectares of valley bottom.

Before the Dragonrise, Boldhome had a Lunar garrison and a military commander. Shortly after the Dragonrise, it didn’t.

So to get a feel for population density, a rough eyeball for Sartar (including the Dragonewt Wilds and the Far Place) is about 7200 square miles or 18,900 square kilometres. If we ignore the dwarves and any purely temporary groups, there are about 194,000 sentients living in Sartar, which gets about 27 people per square mile or about 10 people per square kilometre. That’s about basically the norm for a low density agrarian society and about half the density of Classical Greece (see Zimmermann, Andreas; Hilpert, Johanna; and Wendt, Karl Peter (2009) “Estimations of Population Density for Selected Periods Between the Neolithic and AD 1800,” Human Biology: Vol. 81: Iss. 2-3, Article 13. Available at: http://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/humbiol/vol81/iss2/13). Which seems about right given how urbanised Sartar is (Boldhome, Alda-Chur, Wilmskirk, Jonstown, Swenstown, and Alone, plus numerous smaller towns).

Lunar Tarsh, which covers a roughly comparable area, has a population of roughly 18 people per square kilometre, or 50 per square mile. That’s roughly high medieval France or actually about the same as Classical Greece.

Also the Oslir river valley from Dunstop to Talfort is quite densely populated. The rest is more like Sartar.

So basically, what you can get from this is that Sartar has a bunch of agrarian valleys that might have a population density of 18 per square kilometre or almost 50 per square mile. Or more. But then you also get a lot of empty – the Quivin Mountains, the Thunder Hills, the Forloss Hills, the Yellow Hills, and other woodlands.

Remember, there are roughly two or three hides per square kilometre. So an average clan occupies one WBRM hex, that means there are about 130 hides of cultivated land, and another 70 hides in herds and livestock, per cultivated hex.

Sartar is a little bit smaller than North Macedonia. Or about the size of the core territories of ancient Macedonia at the time Philip II becomes king. I mean why would someone compare the size of Sartar with another mountainous kingdom that ended up play a huge role in a conflict with a world empire?

A few notes on Belintar that folk might find interesting:

Belintar was a wise and beneficent being, with no grudge against the innocent, and a keen mind in marshalling his resources. In the councils of Belintar, one of the seats was filled by a troll, sometimes a Mistress Race troll, sometimes a dark troll. Other seats were filled by the Orlanthi, the Ernaldans, Caladra & Aurelion, the Triolini, and the Godless.

GOVERNMENT

Belintar made little material demands on the peoples around the Choralinthor Bay, only that:1. They send their tribute like everyone else. This tribute is both material and magical.2. They obey his trade laws. Local rulers must guarantee the safety of passing caravans against robbers and brigandage, they must maintain roads and bridges in exchange for tolls and taxes on transit trade. 3. Send the requisite troops to his army. The God-King maintained a small but flexible professional army and a large navy.Belintar largely let the locals rule themselves – and gave them a little boost in resources and organization. In the end, that’s all the Sixths are (and I am rapidly reconsidering use of terminology like “governor”). In each Sixth, Belintar recognized the local ruler and gave them protection and additional resources.If this looks a lot like what Sartar established in Dragon Pass, that’s because Sartar based a lot of his policies on that of Belintar. In fact, the traditional Holy Country take on Sartar is that he was the agent of Belintar who was sent to civilize Dragon Pass, but then declared independence with his own apotheosis.

THE MASTERS OF LUCK AND DEATH

Belintar is a living god in the material world. He has a divine self that has existed since 1318, and is recognized by all the gods of the Holy Country. He also has a mortal self, that lives, ages, and dies. The Tournament of the Masters of Luck and Death is held to select the new incarnation of Belintar. This is a magical contest, that sometimes has military dimensions, sometimes has gods and monsters participate and more. The winner of this contest IS Belintar but also themself. He or she gains access to Belintar’s soul, and adds their experiences, personality, and knowledge. This is not possession – more like an incredibly powerful Allied Spirit or Fetch. Upon death they become Belintar in the God World, each incarnation adding to the god.Now if this looks familiar – it is. You should immediately think of two other rulers that more or less operated this way: the Only Old One and the Red Emperor. This system worked fantastically for over a century, but I think the first creaks showed up with Sartar’s mission to Dragon Pass. Belintar violated his own trade laws in the 1520s when he allowed (or even ordered) the Kitori to seize the trade route between Dragon Pass and Karse. Nonetheless, Belintar was still able to support Dormal in the Opening – which might really be the last hurrah of the God-King. Sure he was still powerful enough to easily route the Red Emperor at the Building Wall Battle – and I think the Red Emperor was completely outclassed there – but Belintar had become stagnant, even senile, and did. not recognize how much the world had changed.Jar-eel ambushed Belintar as he performed rites in the Otherworld. Lunar spies had mapped out parts of his route and Jar-eel, a heroquester on par with the original incarnation of Belintar, dissected the God-King and hid his parts in the Lunar Otherworld. When the Tournament of the Masters of Luck and Death was held in 1616, there was no Belintar to join with.

The royal roads belong to the Prince and travelers and their property are under the protection of the Prince while they are on the road. Tolls on goods moving along the road are collected at various points, this is largest source of revenue for the Prince. For much of Sartar’s history, such revenues made the Prince richer than most Lunar satraps. At the entrance to each city and a few other toll stations (such as at Roadend and Dangerford), scribes and their guards assess a toll on the caravan. These tolls are sizeable (typically 2% to 5% of the value of the goods at each station) but ensures that the caravan can travel along the road without interference from the local tribes. A caravan traveling from Furthest to Karse might add another 50% to its costs through tolls, but can expect to still make huge profits; the tolls are the price of safety, security, and speed. Few experienced merchants complain much as long as the tolls are kept to these “reasonable” rates.If the caravan tries to avoid the toll and bypasses the road, then the local tribes can impose whatever “toll” they desire (often tribal raiders simply take the caravan goods and ransom the merchant). In addition, there are tolls on ferry crossings, bridge crossings, and market taxes. This system was maintained with varying success during the Lunar Occupation.

Belintar is gone with the commencement of the Hero Wars. Jar-eel has changed things and they will not return. Period.

And by 1621, the unity of the Holy Country is shattered. Completely.

He’s not coming back, any more than the Council of Friends can be restored. Maybe there might be something new that resembles the Holy Country (in fact I am pretty sure of that), but Belintar and his magic is gone.

It is important to keep in mind that from 1318 to 1616, the Holy Country maintained an astonishing amount of internal peace. The largest internal conflict involved the Volsaxi about a generation after Belintar became a god – which was basically the Orlanthi being Orlanthi. The Volsaxi kings quarrelled with the Durengard kings about who ruled Heortland. By 1460, that conflict had largely petered out.

But after 1616, war, disorder, and invasion came to the Holy Country. The unity is gone, and things won’t go back to how they were. The Golden Age is over and the Lesser Darkness is upon us.

So if you imagine how this system would have worked in its prime – let’s say around 1550, when Tarkalor was here.Belintar resides in the City of Wonders. This is a marvellous magical place, where the gods themselves wander freely. Beings no longer present or even possible in the mundane world can be found here. Even with the Closing, there are guests from far off lands, Teshnite and Seshnegi nobles, Lunars and others. Belintar speaks with the gods and spirits, and works to keep the divine world and the material world in harmony.It is important to think of Belintar as a priest or a living god, rather than as an administrator or politician. Belintar doesn’t have politics. He does what is necessary to keep the mundane world in harmony with the divine – while also keeping the divine world from tearing apart the mundane world. He says something – well, you just follow it. Belintar just *knows* things – secrets, mysteries, impossible stuff. And he is friendly with all the gods of the Holy Country – Orlanth, Ernalda, Caladra&Aurelion, Choralinthor, the Lightbringers, you name it (yes he has a few enemies too, but they are important to be enemies of).So if the Queen of Esrolia has a problem, she just takes the Rainbow Bridge over to the City of Wonders, and asks Belintar what to do. He’s the Great and Terrible Oz! He’s got councils, with a mistress race troll, with Wind Lords, Earth Priestesses, Twin Priests, and zzaburi. And more. Sometimes Belintar shows up in your city, with demigods and spirits in his entourage. He plants a garden or stamps his foot and a spring appears or satisfies a dozen priestesses in the fertility rites or whatever miracle is needed and then returns to the City of Wonders. He admits guests, speaks with them, and then disappears again, leaving you puzzled about what he exactly meant by that and how did he know it? There is nothing “ordinary” about him at all.

What was the Lunars issue with Belintar? Just territorial aggression that he resisted? He was a problem on every level. For most Lunar leaders, the Holy Country was a matter of growing concern since 1500 or so. The Heartlands were shipping tons of silver every year to the merchants of the Holy Country, and getting spices, herbs, wine, textiles, etc. in return. The Sartarites were getting a big cut of that silver, making them a growing threat to the Lunar Provinces. But the Holy Country was getting the rest of it.Magically, the Holy Country was a threat – it was a Proximate Realm, like the Silver Shadow or Glamour. Its presence blocked the expansion of the Glowline and stopped the rise of the Red Moon.Ideologically, it was a problem. The Lunar Empire already has a God-King who sits atop the Axis Mundi and communicates between the divine and mundane worlds. Belintar did the same – and very successfully. Given the Red Emperor’s universal claims, the presence of Belintar was intolerable.

And it should be observed that after Harrek the Berserk sacked and pillaged the City of Wonders with King Broyan’s aid, the city sank and disappeared from the world. It is no more. Like at Atlantis, it has disappeared from view.

So not only is there no Belintar, but there is no City of Wonders either.

That’s a general theme in Greg’s stories – nothing made in Time lasts forever.

Belintar, the Lunar Empire, the Council of World Friends, the Empire of the Wyrms Friends, even the Middle Sea Empire. All were examples of what mortals can do, but also examples that nothing lasts forever.

To me, this gives Glorantha great meaning and power – unlike say Middle Earth, where caretaker stewards might rule Gondor for 14 centuries, until an unbelievably distant descendant of the ruling house from over a thousand years ago shows up. First that the stewards ruled that long while keeping the steward appearance (even Rome’s republic lasted only 5 centuries before it became a Hellenistic kingdom) and second that anyone would care about Aragorn’s lineage at that point.

Senile is the word I like to use. But at some point, even Belintar is no longer balanced. The Tournament is supposed to produce an incarnation strong enough to not be overwhelmed by Belintar – but that started to break down after the Opening.

Why the hostility between the Volsaxi and the ‘Governors’ (or whatever the title is – Prince sounds likely to me)? Whitewall is the traditional cult and assembly center of the Hendriki. Durengard is the cult and assembly center of Heortland. The Volsaxi refuse to be tributaries of Heortland (although I am pretty sure they paid their tribute to Belintar after their restoration).

So if you wanted to find some way to restart the Masters of Luck and Death – I’d suggest the following steps:

  • 1. Get back all the parts of Belintar that Jar-eel dissected and scattered with guardians. They are in Lunar Hells, on the Red Moon, with Yara Aranis, and in a necklace around her neck.
  • 2. Lift the City of Wonders from the bottom of the bay and rebuild its wonders.
  • 3. Redo the original deeds of Belintar, more or less, and gain the submission of ALL the rulers of the Sixths. And do it fast, because Harrek has a good claim to be the Ruler of the Seas, and by 1628 Argrath is one of the rulers. Not to mention Queen Samastina, who is no nostalgist.

Similarly, want to resurrect the Only Old One? Find all his parts wherever Belintar hid them. Rebuild his Palace of Black Glass.And get all the tar out of his stairway to the Underworld. All of it.

I pity any poor bastard who is trying to stop Jar-eel the Razoress on her own top-tier heroquest, supported by the all the magical resources the Red Emperor can throw behind her. You are better off trying to physically move Kero Fin.

Jar-eel is powerful enough that just a manifestation of her self is nearly powerful enough to wipe out the household of Prince Kallyr. And that’s basically her projecting herself from a great distance. She’s one of the most powerful and skilled hero questers in all of history. Think Arkat-tier.I would have trouble imagining the Earth Temple in Esrolia doing that. They’ve got bigger problems – first and foremost how to stop Harrek and his Wolf Pirates.

Being as Argrath is real close with Harrek, the *obvious* thing for Queen Samastina would be kissing and making up with what’s left of the Red Earthers, and then with the Lunar Empire?

Greg once theorized it was possible Belintar was from the future or far past. future, no. But there are hints that he might have been originally from the Second Age. Or just elsewhere. But nobody knows where he came from. And that’s important. He may have been a god learner who escaped by passing outside of time and losing all connection. He may have come from outside.His being unknown (even to himself) is a part of him. some mysteries shouldn’t be answered!

The Prince of Sartar comic strongly hints that he was Artmali No it doesn’t. I wrote it, and made no such hint. why do you have to choose an origin? Having none is key to understanding the character. Giving him one takes a key part of Belintar away. The correct answer is He is the Stranger. The Only Old One – no slouch at secrets – had all of Hell search for the answer. They failed. The moment you give Belintar an origin – he is no longer Belintar. And this is a key insight for anyone paying attention.

As an aside, it is probably worth marvelling at how remarkable an architectural wonder the Sun Dome Temple in Sartar is. With a dome approximately 30 meters in diameter, the Sun Dome Temple stands some 45 meters high, making it larger than the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem. It is comparable in size to the ziggurat of Ur or Pantheon of Rome.It was far beyond the Yelmalio cult to build, let alone pay for. But was within the resources of Prince Tarkalor, the King of Dragon Pass, although it is his single greatest building feat. Greater than the tower that bears his name or the road to Whitewall or even the port of Karse.

Tarkalor was of course a great builder – he built the road to Whitewall, the road between Wilmskirk and Duck Point, financed the port of Karse, built fortifications, buildings for guilds, commoners, and the beggar’s bed-row too. And more too! But the Sun Dome Temple was likely his greatest project. And in Sun Dome County they still speak in reverence of that great prince of Orlanth Rex, Tarkalor Trollkiller.

I present to you a Shield Maiden of Yelorna by the amazing Loïc Muzy!

I think the real regret is that Yelmalio has become completely uninteresting and ineffective. That’s a very strange characterisation of Yelmalio. Yelmalio is one of the most interesting cults in Glorantha, and his heroic stand against the Darkness, wounded and bleeding, is mythologically very powerful.And just wait until you see how his cult functions in Dragon Pass. It is quite different from the hinterlands of the world.

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